Returning to the Unborn Mind with Thich Dieu Thien

Thich Dieu Thien Interview

Tiff Carson: Have you ever wondered what it would feel like to be completely free? Not from your life, but from the suffering that lives inside your mind. I want you to sit with this question for a second. What would it mean to live every moment fully awake? Today’s guest has not only asked that question, she’s answered it with her entire life.

Tiff Carson: Thich Dieu Thien is a Buddhist nun, a spiritual teacher, and a guide for those seeking clarity, peace, return to their truest self. She leads from her own lived awakening, helping others liberate the source of suffering, not just manage it. I hope this conversation will meet you wherever you are. Whether you are in heartbreak, burnout, or feeling disconnected from your purpose and gently pull you towards something deeper, you’ll walk away with insights, tools, and maybe even a little soul remembering of who you really are. 

Tiff Carson: So take a breath, get still. Because what you’re about to hear just might shift everything. Welcome to the show, Thich. How are you? 

Thich: I am very good. How are you today?

Tiff Carson: I am doing wonderful. I am so, so grateful that you are here. We had a little bit of technical difficulties, and I am so grateful that we got this set up and ready to go because it is a true honor to have you here with me.

Thich: But you know, even with the technology problem, you are still present, still open and fight at the problem, and after that everything go well, right?

Tiff Carson: Exactly. Exactly. So before we dive into depth of your beautiful teachings, I would love to start here. If someone were meeting you, not as the “Awakened One”, but simply as a human being on a journey, how would you introduce yourself?

Thich: My present. My open heart, truly be there for them, be present for them, truly listen to them, without discrimination, only truly love. Give them a chance to open the door to connect to me with true love. True, present, true understanding. And from there, all the thing within themselves, needing so long not share, it will naturally appear. From there they will connect to me. They will understand what is the meaning of true love, true understanding, true compassion.

Thich: And from that moment, easy for me to talk to them and easy for them to talk to me. And from there, the journey starts.

Tiff Carson: Wow, beautiful. So you experienced a profound awakening in 2001. I would love for you to go back to that moment or maybe to the moments that led up to it, and what shifted inside of you.

Thich: You know, I was born to know awake world is my world. The world have no ego, no discrimination, no suffering, only true love to wisdom and true compassion. 

Thich: I saw everyday people, they don’t know who they truly are. They get lost in the right, wrong, good, bad, high, low, love and hate, and they don’t know who they truly are. Because of that, they suffer. And I know we have a way to go back to the world. Only true love is this. And from that moment, I stood up to searching for the way to go home in order to help me to be truly happy. And also awaken those people around the world to be truly happy and free from suffering. And until when I was 13 years old, I have a chance to view the Buddha life. I saw that. Wow. He have the same question. How to truly be happy and how to wake up and liberate all the suffering that cause people stuck. And not free. 

Thich: And I found out that finally he found out the answer. And from that moment I choose to follow Buddha teaching and start to apply it. His teaching apply many methods, but truly it’s changed a lot within myself.  But I could not reach the final destination. And the question I carry within myself along the way until when I become 30 years old. I left everything and travel around the world with the intention to find out, and answer for myself. And along the way, you know, many thing happening, weather, life, sometimes really hot, sometimes cold, and I allow me to live everywhere. I don’t choose to live everywhere. I don’t choose to contact anybody. I just let myself be to discover myself, to understand more about myself and understand more about life. And along the way, many things happening within myself. I have a chance to recognize many things happening inside myself and many things happening around the world, and that gave me a chance to continue to search for my answer. And I know the true home already there waiting for me to come back. And I keep searching. I keep applying, many methods along the way. 

Until the days in Thailand, in the meditation center, I have a chance to be there to sit down day by day. Many things happening within myself. I recognize, I know the clear mind already within myself. And then when I go back to the clear mind, all the voices appear within myself. I can recognize and that no longer control me, but I know that is not a final destination. Every day I keep facing all the voices within myself and all the things around me, I not disturbed myself. I keep facing, facing, and until the eighth day, finally I go back home. I go back to the place I know that already exists and completely go back to the world. And all the attachment. All the suffering completely disappear and seeing that moment I go back to live in a wake world. And from that moment I saw all people around the world have capacity to go back to live in that world.

Thich: From that moment, true love appear true wisdom appear true compassion appear, and then naturally the gravel appear, and from that moment, I’m out of the body. You see I’m free like a bird in flight. From there I can see everybody as they are. And from there naturally the great tool within myself appear. I will know exactly how each person personality block them to be truly happy, they all suffer. I see that. And from that moment I made a vow to step into the world to awaken their Buddha potential and liberate the suffering that caused the cycle of birth and death. That is the journey.

Tiff Carson: Wow. So many people, crave change. They want it, but they fear the unknown that comes with that. With the deep transformation, what did it feel like for you to step into this, into this completely new awareness of life? Were you scared?

Thich: You know, because when was I born in this world, I know that my word, therefore, I have no fear at all. Even searching for the answer for this question. Have to pay our price, right?

Thich: But, nothing bothered me. I have no fear because I know exactly what is this, is my true home. When I go there, I will be free, I will be happy and I will liberate all the suffering that cause the cycle of birth and death and I can help all people. Therefore, I have no fear. 

Thich: You have a home, right? You know exactly where your true home, and then you get lost and you know exactly where is this? Where is your home? You have fear to come back? No. You have no fear at all. Same for me. I have no fear. Even along the way. I have to go through a lot of struggle, but all those struggle cannot block me to go back home because if I know, if I not come back home, I’m still stuck. I’m still suffering.

Thich: And how can I help people to be truly happy and truly free? Therefore that gave me a power to move without fear.

Tiff Carson: So we are all here to help other people, right? 

Thich: Yes, yes.

Tiff Carson: That is our job. 

Thich: That is our job.

Tiff Carson: That is why we are in this body, in this place is to help another human being.

Thich: That’s true. Yes. And also, because I’m already awakened therefore, I will know how to help people. I will know exactly how to open the door for them, how to open the stuck point within themselves, how to awaken their true love. How to truly let them see what makes them suffer, what blocks them to be truly happy and free. I will know how to move with them, and then that’s why it’s easy for everybody to be in front of me and they have no fear at all. They feel open. They feel trust when they are in front of me and from there, it’s easy for me to work with them and they don’t wait until they become awakened in order to start the journey. They will feel their transformation along the way.

Thich: They will feel their heart open along the way true love appear along the way the capacity to see thing. As they are along the way, and the communication between husband and wife, parent and children, coworker start to shift in different way. They feel it. Therefore, they continue to walk the journey without hesitation.

Tiff Carson: Well, I can attest to the fact that you do create a sense of trust and love and safety because I’m sitting across a screen from you, but I am with your energy and I feel your love. It is pouring out of you. 

Thich: Thanks. 

Tiff Carson: So you talk a lot about liberating the born mind and returning to the Unborn Mind. For those unfamiliar with these terms, how would you explain them to someone that’s going through things like grief or heartbreak or inner chaos?

Thich: Wonderful. You know, the Unborn Mind is the mind always bright, shining, pure, full of wisdom and compassion without any ego in there. Everybody have that Unborn Mind. But the Born Mind is a mind. We collective from the society, the family, from school. It’s good to learn, it’s good to know about life, right?

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: Because we attach to that, whatever we learn, whatever we receive from the society, we attach to that, we hold onto that, and we believe we are that, and that becomes a “Born Mind”. 

Thich: The mind always change, but we believe that is a real, that is not a real mind. The real mind is the “Unborn Mind”. The mind always bright, shining and never change, but the born mind, because born and die, it’s always change we see. But we don’t know. We believe that is the earth, right? And we hold on so tight, therefore cause a lot of conflict. And stress when we face real reality life change, but because we hold onto the born mind, we don’t want thing changed. Right? And therefore cause a lot of conflict and stress. That’s why we to need to go back to the Unborn Mind. And when you go back to the Unborn Mind, the Unborn Mind give you a chance to see all the born mind cause a lot of stress, a lot of conflict, a lot of suffering. And from there it’s all the attachment start to fall apart because that not us, that it’s just something like a tool. We get to know, we need to use that. We need to have that tool in order to operate life. 

Thich: But because we don’t know, we believe that tool is us and we stuck with that tool. And then we are not available. When we go back to the Unborn Mind and then from there, we are free from the tool.  We are free. We can use whatever we need, but we can drop easily.

Thich: For example, we can use this, you can drop that.  But if we hold onto the Born Mind, we think we are that. We stuck with that. We say, I am this, I am that. I believe this. believe that. And therefore, one thing happening, not exactly what we believe, what we hold onto, we cause a lot of stress and suffering. You got it?

Tiff Carson: Oh yeah, I got that and it’s so true. I just had another guest on who said the words after “I Am” can really, really cause a lot of stress.

Thich: Yes.

Tiff Carson: You have to choose the word behind it carefully.  I am a depressed person. I am full of anxiety. But if you choose to use other words that you want to own, I am a good parent. I am love, I am kind. Then those words are very powerful to choose.

Thich: You know we say I am depression, I am anger. Now we change to, I am a good person. I am a good parent. That’s wonderful. But in there, do you see there you still have “I Am”.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: I am a good person. I am special, something like that. But if we hold onto that, I am. That’s the Born Mind too.

Thich: Because if we think we are good person, but if someone say, for example, if we think we are good parents, but the children think, oh, you are not good parents. We feel hooked, right? Because we hold onto, I’m a good parent, I’m a good person.

Thich: As long as we hold onto, I am something even good or bad, it still cause suffering. It’s like duality. Duality is being held onto both sides, even good side or bad side. Still come from the born mind

Tiff Carson: Hmm

Thich: That causes a lot of suffering. Now we need to go back to the Unborn Mind. The Unborn Mind have no, “I Am” in there. And then from there, when you live with, no “I Am” it means you have an awakened mind. From there you are free from anything and disturbed by nothing. That’s why everybody have the Unborn Mind. And the body needs to go back to that. When you live in that Unborn Mind when things change, when thing happening, you’re disturbed by nothing because you don’t hold onto anything about you. And from there you are free. Then from there, true love appear. True compassion appear. True wisdom appear. And from there, easy for you to communicate with those people around you. Even they are good or they are bad, they love you, or they don’t love you.

Thich: When they dealing with you, they connect back to the unborn. There, they’re born mind start to fall apart. They no longer attach to the born mind and they can connect back to the Unborn Mind and from there, the relationship between husband, wife, parent, and children become open, will become fresh, and from there understanding start to appear. And then from there, all the wound within will start to fall apart. All the judging within start to fall apart, all the discrimination between within themselves start to fall apart. And then the purity appear, the clarity appear, the understanding appear, and the beautiful appear. That is the purpose of go back to live with the Unborn Mind.

Tiff Carson: So how can someone begin to see their pain? So if it’s from loss, grief, divorce, burnout, how can they see it as a doorway rather than a dead end for their life?

Thich: Wonderful. You know, sometime when we have pain, suffering or problem, like the signal, give us a chance to go back, to go back, to be truly to understand about ourself. Every day we are busy to chase the this object and that object, this object and that object, why we didn’t have a chance to truly go back. To be present within ourself, to understand ourself. And then when pain or suffering or struggle, give us the chance to truly go back, to be within ourselves and form you. Go back to aware your pain, aware of your suffering, aware of your depression, aware of your struggle. Then from there, you have a chance to recognize all the voices within yourself, all the pain within yourself, all depression within yourself. And then you start to see something beyond that, what we call the Unborn Mind. When you go back to connect back to yourself, the Unborn Mind start to arise. And from that moment you start to see, oh, we are not the voices within ourselves. We are not the pain, we are not the suffering, we are not depression. We are the clarity, the awakened mind, clear mind, The Unborn Mind. 

And then when you connect back to the Unborn and right away you feel bright, light, fresh. And then when you connect back to the Unborn, all the pain disappear, depression disappear, all the suffering disappear. And then connect back to the Unborn. And then from there, the true love appear. It’s naturally appear. You don’t try to love, it’s a true love appear. And then from that moment you can see those people around you with love. 

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: You don’t hate anyone. You can understand why they treat you that way. Before we think, oh, why you make me suffer? Now you start to understand why do they suffer?

Thich: And then your heart open naturally, your heart open toward them, and you really look at them with love. Without judging. Without suffering as anymore. From there, the communication between you and those people around you start to open.

Tiff Carson: Hmm. 

Thich: That called the doorway, right? You see the doorway to look within, and then from there, the true love appear, you start to connect back to the Unborn. 

And then from there, those people around you start to open with you. And then from there they feel your energy different. They feel your true love. They feel your true understanding. And then from there is so powerful. That is the doorway to go back to the Unborn.

Tiff Carson: So for someone who has a full life, like with kids and with work and overwhelm from life, what are small but meaningful ways that they can start to return to themselves and their Unborn Mind each day.

Thich: Wonderful. First, they need to know that they are the Unborn Mind. They are not stressful mind.. They are not depression mind. They are not suffering mind. They are the Unborn Mind. When they get to know they are the Unborn, every day when they have a chance, they go back to their awakeness You know, go back to present, breathing in, breathing out, and then all the voices within themselves arise. They recognize, but don’t follow. Start to connect back to the Unborn. When they connect to the Unborn, the more they connect to the Unborn, the more they know who they truly are. And when they know who they truly are, they connect back to the Unborn. All the born mind start to fall apart. They no longer associate with the born mind and the born mind naturally just disappear. And they start to connect back to the unborn and live with the unborn. from there, the capacity to see things, they’re clear. 

Thich: Naturally they will know exactly what to do. They don’t need to let the born mind guide them what to do. Let the Unborn Mind guide them what to do, and from there, you won’t get from the

Tiff Carson: An agenda…

Thich: That true. Yes. Because the life always change. If we hold onto the agenda, we stuck because the thing always change. In each moment thing always change. The those people around you change. Because the born might always change.

Up and down, high and lower, they change. But if we hold onto the agenda, we are stuck. But when you go back to the unborn and when we see things after, they are very fresh. And from there is naturally, you will know exactly what to do and you will know exactly what to talk to that person at that moment what to communicate, what to take action in each moment. And then from there is everything available for you, and you will know exactly what to do.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm. One of the things that I am I have been passionate about since I experienced my own spiritual awakening, or the beginning of it because it’s still evolving, is the importance of using my voice. What role do you think that speaking truth, first to ourselves and then to others plays in the process of an awakening or the deep healing?

Thich: You know when you go back to the unborn, first is a healing yourself already. First is a healing yourself.

Thich: It’s right away. All stress or depression or judging or attachment start to fall apart, like the full of stuff within yourself start to dissolve and like your cup become empty, become fresh, become pure.

Thich: And you become your body, become healthy, fresh, and the relationship between you and those people around you become healthy. It come fresh, that is the first feel healing for yourself.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: And from there, your energy is naturally healing those people around you, when they are nearby you, even you didn’t say anything yet, they see your present, your clarity, your smile, your present, and you are fresh, you love.

They know right away, even you don’t try to heal them, but truly it’s naturally heal them. They need that. And then from there is a cultivate their Unborn, because each person have the Unborn Mind already within, they need to cultivate by other unborn.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: From there, the Unborn Mind within themselves will arise and they connect back to the unborn. Right when the unborn arise, like the sunrise, all the cloud, all the darkness start to disappear, that is the powerful of the healing, and from there, all depression, the suffering start to fall apart. It naturally fall apart, you don’t need to try to destroy that, you don’t need, when the sunrise, it’s darkness naturally disappear. You don’t need to try to run away from the darkness. You don’t need to try to destroy about the problem when the sunrise or the problem will disappear. That is the power of healing.

Thich: And from there, step by step, I will help them to continue to connect back to the Unborn, and then can see something still healing inside they didn’t see yet. I will know how to help them to uncover something still healing inside. And from there to appear in front of the sun and then start to fall apart. That is the power of healing too.

Tiff Carson: So around compassion… but first I wanna give a little back story on, so my spiritual awakening began in, I think it was earlier than 2019, but when I really was like, what is happening here?

It was in 2020 where it really started to like open up and where I feel like I was in my Unborn Mind.

Thich: Yes. 

Tiff Carson: One of the things that I really felt strongly in my heart and in my soul was deep compassion for others and myself and one of those people that I had compassion for was my brother who struggled with addiction for all of his life pretty much. And he ended up passing away in 2021 of a fentanyl overdose. But it was in that period of 2020 to when he passed away in 2021, I had compassion for his journey that I never had for 35 years leading up to his death.

Thich: Wow, wonderful.

Tiff Carson: I know that, that part of my spiritual awakening was meant to show me that compassion before he passed away.

Thich: Yes.

Tiff Carson: Sorry, I get emotional every time I talk about him.

Thich: Wonderful.

Tiff Carson: I do know that compassion, you often speak about it not as a concept, but of a way of being.

Thich: Yes.

Tiff Carson: How can we soften toward ourselves when we feel the most lost or unworthy?

Thich: You know, when you go back to the unborn. Uh, continue, continue to live with unborn, right? Continue to go back to the fully live with the unborn and all the, the attach to the born mind, right to completely leap, right? That we call completely leap.

Thich: Sometime the born mind is still, he inside, not completely liberated yet.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: Therefore, that suffering, the feeling of loss and the feeling of suffering still there, right? Even we can recognize we can go back to the unborn and true love still appear, but deep inside we hold on to something. We want something forever, you see?

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: Nothing forever in this life, never last forever. But deep inside, we still hold onto something forever that stuck within yourself. If someone still hold onto something about that, therefore the feeling of loss, the feeling of suffering still there, but truly when you completely go back to the Unborn, continue to live with that. Continue to completely live with the Unborn it’s fully awakened. And then all the hold on to something about forever start to fall apart. And from there you will understand like wisdom appear. Oh, okay, we understand it’s life.

Thich: It’s always changed, right?

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: We come here together to truly connect back to the Unborn, but after we separate, we understand why we are separate, and from there, truly the wisdom appear. And then from there you can see the nature of life, right? And the hold on to about forever will disappear. And from there you no longer have a feeling of loss.

Thich: You would no longer have feeling of suffering. But instead of hold onto that, we turn toward that person and wish they go back to the Unborn.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: Fully live with the unborn and liberate all the attachment, that caused them suffering, and from there, invite everybody, go back to the unborn. And from there we are free.  Disturbed by nothing.

Tiff Carson: How, I’m wondering how do you stay grounded and human in the midst of such a deep spiritual practice, and do you still experience laughter, joy, real connection? Or do you even feel it deeper now?

Thich: Oh, wonderful. When I truly awaken, I go back to awake world. Right and liberate all the attachment to the human system called suffering and from that moment, I can live in the human world, but the difference that I’m here to awaken everybody with the potential, help them to the attachment called the suffering. And I still laugh. I still live like normal people, but the difference is, I’m free from attachment.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: And I can smile, I can laugh, I can understand you. I can be near you. I can do exactly whatever you do. But the difference, I’m awakened. I no longer get locked. I just like the life. Okay, come and go. But I don’t hold on to anything, disturb by nothing. The human is that whatever they touch, whatever they see through systems they hold on to and then they cannot let go. But I’m free. I can go through. I can see everything. I can know everything, but nothing stuck in me, it’s calm.

Tiff Carson: So can you talk about this in terms of grief and the death of a loved one? Like I just said, my brother passed away. And I truly believe this with all of my heart, that had I not gone through my spiritual awakening when I did, I don’t believe that I would have handled his death as, not easy as I still have a lot of deep grief around it.

Thich: yes.

Tiff Carson: But I know that he’s with me, no doubt. So how do you speak around death and grief and not holding onto that tight? Because like you just said, you don’t attach to it, you let it go. Right? Can you speak about that a little bit?

Thich: Yes. You know, when you hold on to your brother, and that’s why he’s near you. It’s like the energy, connection energy because, you love right toward him, but the inside you still hold onto him, right?  And he’s still there with you, he could not go anywhere,

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Thich: Therefore you feel him, right?

Tiff Carson: Yeah.

Thich: But truly, if you truly understand, and know you truly. You are the unborn. He’s the unborn. It’s a born mind that’s just temporary in this life, it’s not, it’s just born and die. Born and die. It’s never last forever.  Know that it’s naturally, it’s easy for you to let go. You start to let go, all the thing you attach to. Unborn and attach him too. The more you recognize, the easy for you to remind him, you can talk to him. You can. You can talk to him toward the unborn. Remind him to go back to the unborn, and the more you back to the unborn, the more you let go. The born mind call your grief and suffering.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: You can talk to him. He can recognize that. He can receive whatever come from his true love. And help him to go back to the unborn and then help him to start to see is that hold onto born mind, cause him suffering too.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: There he start to release the born mind. And you start to relieve that too.

Tiff Carson: So he’s still holding on to Born Mind in spirit?

Thich: Yes.

Thich: He’s still in spiritual. Yes. That’s when he connect back to you.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: He still connect to you. You still connect to him. Therefore, you feel that the energy near you, and he still attached to the Born Mind and he attached to love, but truly right now you are already separate. But he still believe that he want to be near you. You want to hold onto him, and then even he passed away. But truly the attached still there, the body gone, the spiritual is still there. If you remind him to go back to the Unborn, you’ll let him understand more about the attach to Born Mind cause suffering, and he cannot let go and he, he needs to move to a different world, another world, he cannot stay there. He attach to you and cannot be free.

Thich: And from there, the more you work for yourself, the easy for you to support him to go back to the Unborn and let go. All the attachment cause suffering.

Tiff Carson: So would I still have that feeling of him being like part of my soul though?

Thich: Yes. Yes. Because if you hold onto him, if you still attach to him and want him to be near you, even, you don’t mean, but as long as you still, the love seal in there, the attachment seal in there. He cannot leave because he and you connect back.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: And then now today Awaken One, awaken your Buddha potential is go back to the Unborn and you start to just let go it.

Tiff Carson: Mm-hmm.

Thich: Get him to let go too. Let go the attachment. 

Tiff Carson: That’s what I’m having a hard time with Thich, is that I don’t want to let him go.

Thich: Yes, I understand. Uh, before you, you cannot let him go. I understood why, but right now, true. Love it. You want him to go back to the Unborn to be truly free, or you want him to stuck in the that realm to stay there, stuck there. Truly depend on you. Do you want him to go back to the Unborn to be free to be happy, or you want him to stay stuck in the feeling of grief and the feeling of suffering?

Thich: What do you want?

Tiff Carson: I want him to be free. I want him to, yeah. I think it’s knowing that he’s around me.

Thich: Yes. If you truly want him to go back to the Unborn, to be free, to be truly happy to let go. All the suffering, all the attachment, all the problem, all the suffering before he pass away. If you truly love him, you need to let go of what happen between you and him and you and him connect back to the Unborn and maybe right now you can share something, you can say something to your brother and I will witness for you and I will support you both to go back to the Unborn.

Tiff Carson: I don’t want him to suffer.

Thich: What do you want? You want him to go back to the Unborn right?

Tiff Carson: Yeah, I want him to not have or hold on to any of the hard things that he endured while he was here, but I want him to know how much I love him.

Thich: And he will know the more you love him. The more you wish him to go back to live with the Unborn right. And you both can meet each other in the Unborn, not meet each other in the Born Mind. The Born Mind always suffering. The Born Mind is up and down. Living and dying, love and hate right, but with the Unborn is only true love.

Thich: And the more you love him, the more you wish him to go back to the Unborn. And then when he come back to the Unborn, all the suffering he had before will start to fall apart. And he free like today. Sure you connect with the Unborn. He connect with the Unborn. He will free you today too, all the suffering will live great. And you too. Then from there you all connect back to the Unborn.

Thich: How do you feel now?

Tiff Carson: Oh, that was really, really, really beautiful.

Thich: You feel now he feel the same. You know, and you and him is connected. Therefore, when you connect back to the Unborn, you feel the the attachment go, he did the same. connect back to the Unborn, he will let go, all the attachment, and after that you can meet each other. You still together, but you’re together in the Unborn. You no longer together in the Born Mind, right? You still meet each other. You still love each other, you are in the Unborn. 

Tiff Carson: Yeah. I love that.

Thich: Wonderful.

Tiff Carson: Oh my goodness. So, before we started, you asked me if you could ask me any questions. So I am gonna open up the floor now beyond what we just shared.

Thich: Wonderful.

Tiff Carson: What questions do you have for me?

Thich: Truly, um, not only the question, but also while Awaken One talk to you, I saw that you have potential to wake up, you have potential to truly 

connect back to the Unborn. You have potential to liberate suffering. The old attachment cause suffering, and also you have potential to awaken people if you walk the path. I saw your potential. Yes. I see. And go through the story between you and your brother I saw it truly, you really connect with the Unborn and you truly have the potential to awaken and you have potential to awaken other.

Thich: I saw that in you, and then I wish that you continue to walk the path and I will guide you along the way. If you have any question, I will guide you along the way because you have that potential.

Thich: You feel that?

Tiff Carson: Oh, I feel it. And I have felt that for quite a few years now. Probably even not a few years, from before I came here. 

Thich: Yes. 

Tiff Carson: But I’ve been reminded in the last few years of that potential. But it scares me.

Thich: Mm. You know why?

Tiff Carson: It’s all in my mind.

Thich: Uh, yes. But you know when Awaken One talk to you, work with you. How are you? Do you have any fear, any scare? When I guide you, I guide you, I work with you how you feel.

Tiff Carson: Oh, I feel, I feel completely, safe in being guided to do it. I feel the fear when I’m on my own, that’s where the doubt creeps in and the imposter syndrome and I don’t know what that’s all like in my head. I know that.

Thich: You know, because when you met Awaken One, awaken one light. The light can guide you. That’s when you have a light to move, right when you turn toward the light. Guiding. And then the darkness inside yourself start to disappear. All the voices within yourself, fear, worry, doubt start to disappear.

Even you don’t try to run away, that’s when if you have Awaken One, will guide you easily, but before in front of you, you have no teacher. It’s like the darkness and you just create for your own way. And it’s really hard because there are a lot of voices within yourself will come because you have no idea what to do, but right now in front of Awaken One, awake teacher, like you are in front of the light. And the light shine in front of you, like walk you toward the destination. Therefore, you have no fear at all because you walk the path, you are clear, you feel safe, you feel bright, you feel open, you feel trust, and then along the way, all the voices within yourself, it’s just naturally fall apart, the fear fall apart, the the doubt fall apart, you don’t have no idea about fear, doubt and anything, and you just walk. Toward the light and without hesitation.

Tiff Carson: Well, let’s get to that…where people can work with you. This is where you can check out Thich’s website. It is www.universaldoormeditationcenter.org, and her Instagram is @azmthichdieuthien.

And I will definitely be reaching out to you for sure. I wanna take a moment to thank you. Not just for your time and your words today, but honestly just for your presence. There’s something incredibly calming about the way that you speak and the way that you move through the world. You’ve helped us remember that awakening isn’t some far off goal. It’s something we can touch and we can breathe into and we can live from right now.

That message, especially for those of us that are walking through heartbreak and grief, it’s just a gift. So thank you for showing us what’s possible when we come home to ourselves. What are you grateful for today Thich, I ask all of my guests this.

Thich: I am truly, when I talk to you, I don’t see that you are the interview. You just walk the path. I’m very happy that I walk with you. I’m here with you, and I wake you up. I help you to truly liberate your attachment, and also I help your brother too, to go back to the Unborn and liberate all the suffering that carry with him is his life. That is, I’m very happy to be here. And also I wish everybody in this world truly walk the path go back to the Unborn to be truly happy and truly free. And I see that you have potential to walk the path to go back to the unborn. That is important today.

Tiff Carson: So important. So to all of you that are listening, did it stir something in you today? Was it the idea of returning to your Unborn Mind? Was it the reminder that suffering isn’t something to fight, but something to understand and release in your heart. 

Tiff Carson: I want you to know this. You don’t have to climb a mountain to feel peace. Sometimes peace comes in a single breath or a moment of stillness or a gentle question that nudges you back toward yourself. As we close, I invite you to put your hand on your heart. To feel your body, to take one deep breath.  Say thank you, not to me or even to this episode, but to yourself for showing up, for listening. For being curious about your healing. If today’s conversation resonated with you and you want to continue exploring your own inner journey, I invite you to check out the free guided meditation that’s on my website @tiffcarson.com or join one of our Healing Heart workshops where we bring together breath and community and heart work in a safe and beautiful space. Details and how to register are also on my website. Everything that I am doing is rooted in the belief that you are not broken. You are breaking open, and your heart knows the way home. 

Until next time, keep breathing, keep feeling, and keep remembering that even in the hard, you’re never walking alone. Thank you again Thich for being here.  I am grateful for your presence today and for all of your incredible words of wisdom. Thank you.

Thich: Thank you. I am here with you. I’m here with everybody. I’m here to bring everybody back to the Unborn where true love, true wisdom, true compassion exist.  Thank you so much.

Tiff Carson: Thank you.